07-18-2022, 07:34 AM
Borrowed from this thread:
The following is a question and answer from the TIA website [slightly adapted, emphasis mine].
While there are some strong differences between TIA and ourselves on some issues regarding the Faith, it is the stance of The Catacombs to happily republish articles that in and of themselves, repeat the Catholic Faith and Catholic Truth.
The following is such an issue:
June 2, 2022 question.
Dear Mr. Guimarães,
May the peace of the Eucharistic Jesus and the Imaculata be with you.
We thank God for your response to the below email in the version of TIA Mail which was received on 01 June. Your help is much appreciated.
This should not be the case, but I am struggling with the information provided. It is clear and understandable and it confirms what I have been questioning for the last several years regarding the Novus Ordo, even before we started to attend the Traditional Latin Mass.
What I struggle with is the fact that I was raised after Vatican II so my exposure to Mass had always been the Novus Ordo. My wife and I have been raising our children under the Novus Ordo. I struggle also with this information because under the Novus Ordo I have come to love the Eucharistic Jesus and have come to love the Catholic faith more. It is difficult to understand how I have come to grow in the faith and desire the truth while still attending the Novus Ordo. Also, this information will not be very well accepted by some in my immediate family. Please pray for me that God may give my the rights words and the right time to share all the information that He has given me.
My desire is to glorify God, save my soul, and provide the opportunity for my family to save their souls. At this moments, this feels like a very heavy cross that God is calling me to carry.
You are in my prayers. May you have a blessed day.
In Christ's love,
M.G.
Quis ut Deus
______________________
The Editor responds:
Dear Mr. M.G.,
Thank you for including me in your prayers. I appreciate it very much.
If I understand your perplexity well, it would be summarized in this way: How could I receive graces – such as an increase in my Eucharistic devotion – if the Novus Ordo Mass is wrong?
Grace can be given to a person in any situation, no matter how wrong it may be: at a Novus Ordo Mass, a Protestant service or even a Black Mass.
Many Protestants report that they got fed up with their heretical services, converted and looked for a Catholic Traditional Mass. We see that Divine Providence was giving them graces while they were attending those services.
In his novel La Bas (Down There), the famous Belgian writer Joris-Karl Huysmann described his attendance at a Black Mass said by an apostate priest and followed by a Satanic orgy, which included the explicit profanation of consecrated Hosts. Notwithstanding, in that period of his life he was receiving graces to convert and to be the good Catholic he later became.
These graces do not reveal that the Protestant services or the Black Masses were the source of the graces received by those attending them. The graces were given to them despite their attendance at those bad ceremonies.
So also, your Eucharistic devotion could increase when you were attending the Novus Ordo Mass, despite the fact that this Mass was made to decrease the role of the Holy Eucharist in the mind of Catholics.
[See the 1910 Catholic Encyclopedia description of the French author who attended these Black Masses and later converted here. - The Catacombs]
The following is a question and answer from the TIA website [slightly adapted, emphasis mine].
While there are some strong differences between TIA and ourselves on some issues regarding the Faith, it is the stance of The Catacombs to happily republish articles that in and of themselves, repeat the Catholic Faith and Catholic Truth.
The following is such an issue:
Why Did I Receive Graces at the Novus Ordo Mass?
June 2, 2022 question.
Dear Mr. Guimarães,
May the peace of the Eucharistic Jesus and the Imaculata be with you.
We thank God for your response to the below email in the version of TIA Mail which was received on 01 June. Your help is much appreciated.
This should not be the case, but I am struggling with the information provided. It is clear and understandable and it confirms what I have been questioning for the last several years regarding the Novus Ordo, even before we started to attend the Traditional Latin Mass.
What I struggle with is the fact that I was raised after Vatican II so my exposure to Mass had always been the Novus Ordo. My wife and I have been raising our children under the Novus Ordo. I struggle also with this information because under the Novus Ordo I have come to love the Eucharistic Jesus and have come to love the Catholic faith more. It is difficult to understand how I have come to grow in the faith and desire the truth while still attending the Novus Ordo. Also, this information will not be very well accepted by some in my immediate family. Please pray for me that God may give my the rights words and the right time to share all the information that He has given me.
My desire is to glorify God, save my soul, and provide the opportunity for my family to save their souls. At this moments, this feels like a very heavy cross that God is calling me to carry.
You are in my prayers. May you have a blessed day.
In Christ's love,
M.G.
Quis ut Deus
______________________
The Editor responds:
Dear Mr. M.G.,
Thank you for including me in your prayers. I appreciate it very much.
If I understand your perplexity well, it would be summarized in this way: How could I receive graces – such as an increase in my Eucharistic devotion – if the Novus Ordo Mass is wrong?
Grace can be given to a person in any situation, no matter how wrong it may be: at a Novus Ordo Mass, a Protestant service or even a Black Mass.
Many Protestants report that they got fed up with their heretical services, converted and looked for a Catholic Traditional Mass. We see that Divine Providence was giving them graces while they were attending those services.
In his novel La Bas (Down There), the famous Belgian writer Joris-Karl Huysmann described his attendance at a Black Mass said by an apostate priest and followed by a Satanic orgy, which included the explicit profanation of consecrated Hosts. Notwithstanding, in that period of his life he was receiving graces to convert and to be the good Catholic he later became.
These graces do not reveal that the Protestant services or the Black Masses were the source of the graces received by those attending them. The graces were given to them despite their attendance at those bad ceremonies.
So also, your Eucharistic devotion could increase when you were attending the Novus Ordo Mass, despite the fact that this Mass was made to decrease the role of the Holy Eucharist in the mind of Catholics.
[See the 1910 Catholic Encyclopedia description of the French author who attended these Black Masses and later converted here. - The Catacombs]
"So let us be confident, let us not be unprepared, let us not be outflanked, let us be wise, vigilant, fighting against those who are trying to tear the faith out of our souls and morality out of our hearts, so that we may remain Catholics, remain united to the Blessed Virgin Mary, remain united to the Roman Catholic Church, remain faithful children of the Church."- Abp. Lefebvre